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Yesterday @ 8:58PMby PiratesReport
jamminjoe66
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Hot Stove Talk
Free Agents
It's realistic that the Pirates could go out & spend $20M on FA's this year {They won't do it} but, It could get 3 top line players. Let's have a vote what 3 legit FA's would you want to see signed & for how much each? Remember $20M.
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lancem
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07-23-10 7:28 PM
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that is misleading,lasorda used a bullpen by committee.you are right,why would anyone give a superstar type contract to anyone who is just ok.
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seriesin09
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07-23-10 5:37 PM
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Gott had one year of more than six saves after he left the Pirates. He had 34 saves in 1988 as the Pirates closer and 41 in seven years after that. Not real Bob Gibson-esque if you asked me. He did have a nice ERA, I'll give you that, but the discussion was about closers and his closing career after Pittsburgh proves the point that, except fot the elite few, it doesn't make sense to throw a lot of money at a closer.
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lancem
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07-23-10 4:55 PM
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boy if you think 2 of the 1st 4 years that Gott had with the dodgers were bad,you must think Bob Gibson in 1968 and 1969 years were just ok.
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arizonabruce
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07-23-10 3:57 PM
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Meek and Hanaran are solid. I expect them both to perform at a very high level.
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seriesin09
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07-23-10 3:32 PM
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Yeah, I know Gonzalez was traded for LaRoche and he's been on the DL more than he's been off since. Gott had as many bad years as he had good after he left, too. That's the point, relievers are so up and down that it's a crapshoot - leaving Capps go and getting Dotel could have been a disaster or a coup. Instead, it's a push this year.
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arizonabruce
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07-23-10 1:38 PM
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The Pirates want all 3 of those players. I would be shocked if at least 2 of those 3 did not remain with the the Pirates through either arbritration or a mutually agreed upon deal.
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lancem
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07-23-10 10:50 AM
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gott and gonzalez had very good years after the pirates.you do know that gonzalez was traded for laroche.
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lancem
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07-23-10 10:34 AM
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i can not believe the $250,000 they saved on signing dotel than keeping capps, they didn't go out and sign matt holiday.if you don't consider espn,foxsports or the mlb network part of the baseball world,what color is the sky in your world.
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seriesin09
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07-23-10 9:10 AM
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This site does NOT constitute the baseball world and, outside thise site, the Capps decision has generally received as anything from a non-event to a success. Dotel has been about as good as Capps and cheaper so it's hard to see it as a failure. Except for the very top tier like Rivera, relievers are an inconsistent lot (remember Mike Gonzalez, Bill Landrum, Jim Gott...) so turnover happens.
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lancem
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07-23-10 6:58 AM
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and the pirates have been blasted in the baseball world about doing that.so are you saying its ok if they do the same thing to hanrahan,milledge and ohlendorf?
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arizonabruce
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07-23-10 6:26 AM
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The Pirates walked from Capps. They can trade or release a player prior to offering arbitration if the player does not accpet their initial offer. If the team does accept arbitration, then it must accept the ruling win or lose.
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lancem
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07-23-10 6:13 AM
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polatta,you have to learn to read the full posts before you responed.i said milledge and his agent think he might be worth as much or more than those players.fancour has 8 hr's and the mets are trying to trade him.thats what i'm talking about,your 3 year 5 million dollar deal.will the pirates give him a million dollar raise?or do they think they can get the same run production from someone at a cheaper price?arizona,you are 100% wrong.teams can not walk away from arbitration.the arbitration system works this way,the team and the play try to come to a deal before it gets to arbitration,if they can not the team sets the price they want to pay and the player sets a price on what he wants and the arbitrator decides only on those amounts.baseball its self has called arbitration the biggest change in the salaries.
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arizonabruce
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07-23-10 1:51 AM
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A-Rod (steroid user) makes more in one game than a teacher makes in 3 years. Ironically, it does not matter if he goes 0-5 or sits that game with an injury. Feel free to call it capitalism. I call it the owners lost control of the players’ salary demands. Can you tell me one (1) thing A-Rod could do to make 10% of what he makes if he was not in baseball? What did A-Rod have to risk to make so much money? The agents have just dominated the owners who lack backbone due to their individual egos.
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Polatta
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07-22-10 11:05 PM
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I would lean towards players like Luis Gonzalez hitting 57 homers as changing the economics of the game. The salaries have never gotten back in line after the steroid era.
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Polatta
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07-22-10 10:50 PM
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I said Neal Huntington will re-sign Milledge as to not admit he over estimated him. Guy has 3 homers and maybe 5 steals Arizona and u act like he's tearin up the league and hopefully we get a hometown discount? Good grief that's just silly
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Rosario
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07-22-10 10:48 PM
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I know its a little off topic, but because of Penn and Chulk being sold to Japanese teams, who do you see them calling up from Double A to take their spots?
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arizonabruce
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07-22-10 9:16 PM
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Polatta: Since you are so down on Millidge, I am shocked you would be willing to sign him for any amount of dollars. An organization does not have to complete the arbitration process. They can make an offer and then walk if the player does not agree. The game changed with free agency. Flood changed the entire economics of the game. This is when ownership lost control.
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Polatta
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07-22-10 8:56 PM
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Am I reall hearing Lastings Milledge and hometown discount in the same sentence. Jeff Francour was thought to have 30 homer power. Bourne is the prototypoical leadoff batter. I don't feel like scrolling up to see the other references but Milledge has Nyger Morgan numbers minus the stolen bases. He is nothing like Bourne or Francour bro. He's a 4th or 5th outfielder on any other team in the league. 3 years for $5M will do the trick. Not a penny more.
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lancem
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07-22-10 8:56 PM
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it called arbitration,which is what is the evil that kills the small market teams like the pirates.milledge,hanrahan and ohlendorf are all eligible.
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arizonabruce
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07-22-10 8:44 PM
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The baseball players that are making additional income in annual salary have usually served their years under team control. This is how baseball set up the structure. Certain players will be OK with less annual income if they can get the security of x amount of years guaranteed. I do think the Pirates will make a legitimate attempt to resign their core players. I would consider Milledge part of this core. I have accepted that the Pirates will not be going fishing in free agency for any player looking for income above 6 million per season.
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